When reading this article, I found it sad that many nations are losing their identities due to the problems surrounding international migration. In particular, I find Italy's scenario to be the most tragic. Italy was the birthplace of what today's modern society has become, as Renaissance-era Italy put forward a progressive, more secular agenda that is still with modern society. With the European Union pushing for a united Europe, indivdual nation states like Italy are slowly losing the identity that makes them the countries we all cherish and revere.
I found the political science in this reading to be very intriguing--how most political human actions can be generalized and that generalization can typically hold true. The author made it clear that Ireland hasn't experienced a conservative backlash to increasing allowance of foreign immigration, unlike other countries who have dealt with immigration problems. I applaud Ireland for their accepting views on both migrants and immigrants, especially regarding the general population's realization that immigrants are vital to their society, culture, and economy.
I found this reading very informative and definitley brought up many issues that countries, especially America, are facing, immigration. As an individual living in the United States, the word "immigration" angers the majority of the country. However, arn't we all immigrants living in America? The common American's ideology concerning immigrants is to get them out of the country, but immigrants actually do bring some good and do jobs no one else wants to do and brings culture to the global melting pot, that is America. -Adam Eldin
I agree with Urnne on this because, as he states, Italy has always been the capital of the world until the last couple of centuries, and always led the world as the capital of religion. But the immigration due to the political corruption set all of it in different motion, making it almost a second class state. Ireland used to be in the same type of scenerio, when the government was poor and there was a potato famine, but now that it has grown stronger, it begins to see people of Irish descendency and some others begin to return.
I agree with Aaron that indivudual nation-states are losing their identities. I mean, Ireland is desperately trying to get anybody with Irish heritage back into the country. I don't find international migration to be a bad thing though. People will move where they will, and a multi-cultural society is often a strong society. Like was mentioned in our PMQs, the many different cultures of the UK--and any other country--strengthens the economy and culture of the state. The decline of the nation-state is inevitable(a political unit(state) inhabited by people of one common ethnicity and heritage(nation)), but the new, multi-cultural societies should be welcomed.
I have to disagree with Julia I think that immigration although vital to the forming of nations has its limits. Too much immigration like MR. Pittman stated causes the country to loose their identity. I believe immigration reform is one of the most important issues today and we need strong measures to control the over flow of immigrants.
I agree with Adam to a point. We are all immigrants, or more our families are. having said that, this doesnt mean we should let people freely come into our country. Americans should take the jobs. I know this isn't always the case because as a whole Americans are lazy. Immigrants may contribute to a soceity but the line must be drawn somwhere Ben
I agree with Julia that Ireland is doing the noble thing by accepting these new cultures into their society. By allowing the immigrants access and fair treatment their have been no problems with the overflooding. The crisis conditions that other countries like Portugal, Greece, and others are experiencing are due to their lack of acceptance and forcing certain laws and views onto the different immigrants. Immigrants are a good thing, countries just need to learn how to embrace them and allow them to help the economy of the country. -Mary L.
Agreeing with Adam, the issues that they are facing in Ireland are very well stream-lined with what is happening in the U.S. regarding immigrants. The only exception that makes the U.S. different than Ireland is the fact that they,Ireland,are more willing to accept their immigrants as being important to who they are as a country even though their unemployment is very low and nine percent of the labor force in Ireland is foreign born. That in itself says that Ireland is maturing with the times and hopefully we will all follow in pursuit and mature as a country. Alex B
The melting pot theory has been affecting nations for hundereds of years. People immigrate or migrate to areas where they think they can better themselves. Like urrne said, immigration can cause a country to lose its origonal identity yet it can have positive influnces.
Anthony M. Messina's article of the emigration and immigration of Ireland is extremely interesting, definitely for those political science majors out there! Throughout the article the reference to a multitude of information shown by graphs and statistics clearly supports the position the author is trying to argue. The transition of Ireland's emigration to immigration over the past few decades have now and will influence the policies and government in the United Kingdom. The reading of this article is just another example of the importance individuals need to pay attention to in order to move further along in the field on politics.
Immigration is not completly bad but too much of it can be damaging to a Country's identity. i think that you need to have reform on immigration so that a country does not completly change face and become different from the way its ancesters built it to be.
I agree with Jarred on the fact that individual nations are losing their identities. However, if it weren't for the migration of these individuals then different countries such as America would not be the "Melting Pot" it is known as today. The immigration of cultures to me is a good thing, because it gives other countries new morals and cultures to benefit from. Especially when making a change from the old ways.
Although this article was extremely lengthy, I found it to be very informational on a topic that has various views: immigration. I agree with Adam's statement, that in America immigration is not seen as a beneficial factor, but rather that we should rid our country of these immigrants. According to Messina, America is part of the first-set of English-speaking societies and that "within these societies immigration is prominent in both their founding narratives and subsequent political and social development", I agree very much so with this statement. Disregarding the view that immigration is "bad", the surplus of culture and addition of individuals to fill jobs can help the economic state of a country.
I agree with Adam for the most part in that America is a sort of melting pot. Immigration is'nt always a bad thing becuase it does bring diversity and new culture which makes America what it is. It can lead to bad though if isn't controlled and America will loose it's identity.
Urnne is right - immigration can cause a country to lose its identity, but it is necessary. I don't really agree with Caroline saying get rid of all the immigrants, because the increase in the amount of immigrants forces a certain liberalism that can aid in the driving of the economy of a country. Unless of course, countries act like Arizona.
Lucas, Caroline isn't saying she wants to get rid of immigrants. She's saying that most Americans don't approve of immigrants, but she does; which she goes on to prove in the sentence "Disregarding the view that immigration is "bad", the surplus of culture and addition of individuals to fill jobs can help the economic state of a country." Duh.... come on fella, got to finish reading her statement first. Regarding the reading, I believe, from the information given, that the population of Ireland will become just as hateful towards immigrants as Americans are. Every country goes through a phase in which immigration is suddenly a crisis even though its the backbone of reform in almost every case.
Now more so than ever, the United States has been drifting from the idea of a "melting pot" to a "tossed salad" theory. Immigration I believe is really important in our government and should be dealt with carefully, more efficiently and with justice. Like Adam said previously, "Aren't we all immigrants?". The Native Americans were here to begin with and after a while, a group of English speaking men come and told them to move for good or else. We need to take that in consideration. I recently read an article about a city in Texas that had many immigrants (in this case particularly Hispanics) that had a problem with these individuals. They did not force the Hispanics to leave but in a sense told them to flee. A great portion of them relocated and now that city is undergoing a big economic crisis due to the immigrants leaving. Not only is our country in an economic crisis, their case got worse. Any form of government should take in consideration that these working non citizens are important to our society and that they also bring many factors in our country. Although, I do agree that the government should come up with a plan with the overflow of immigration. Too much is always not a good thing. But we also need to take in mind that if people from other countries and states should need out assistance and that they are in need of refuge, that the government needs to help them and offer them peace of mind. But only if they are in need and trying to escape some form of punishment such as war, slavery and violence.
As everyone before me has stated, immigration is the main topic of this reading. Most Americans believe that immigration is terrible and that we are paying for them to live here. While this may be true, our nation could not function without immigrants. Immigrants do all the jobs that we Americans don't want to. Without them factories would not function, farms wouldn't run, and we would all be in a national pickle. Although immigration is an iffy topic to discuss, I think we all agree in saying that if others want to come to our country, legally, than we would be happy to welcome their culture and diversity.
I agree with MK and Adam about how our country is a melting pot, no doubt about that. The only thing I have a problem with is, they take a lot of our jobs. I mean I personally don't think that is a big deal because I wouldn't want one of their jobs (I don't mean this in a rude way), but this definitely angers many Americans. Immigrants do keep our country running, but also, there is a lot of our money involved.
I found this reading to be important and interesting, and agree with Adam in the sense that imigraton to America is what our country is founded on, and contines to bring new ideas and different cultures into America. I also agree with Beau and Caleb that while immigration is a good thing, it's only good in moderation. If it is kept in the right proportions, it can help stimulate the economy; but, if it isn't monitored it could cause our economy to crash.
I have to agree with Adam and Julia in the sense that Julia says that she would go so far as to applaud Irelands actions as far as immigration goes in which she says that they have accepted that migrants and immigrants a like are vital to the success in the country and i agree with Adam in the sense that the majority of America blames the declining economy on the immigrants "coming in here taking our jobs!" or south park "da took der jobs!" in that ignorance in America has almost forgot America's history in the fact that this country was found on immigrants pulling from Ireland, France, England...etc. and through those immigrants America has formed its own identity and culture with a melting pot, so in that sense I agree with Adam and Julia
I agree with Adam and Mary in that immigration definitely has its pros and cons. While some people are opposed to allowing immigrants into their country, they don't realize the diversity and jobs they bring forth as well as their contribution to econmic growth. Often times immigrants are looking to better themselves and their families by becoming more econmically stable. I think to an extent they should be controlled and limited in a society but why can't we kindly share the earth that everyone is a part of? Honestly, its time to be mature and realize it really doesnt matter where you're born and raised and what culture you are a part of. The only importance that truely matters is what the immmigrants plan to do to further themselves, the country, and the world around them.
I found this extremely long reading interesting. I agree with Adam and Giorgia immigration having it’s pros and cons. I don’t understand why most Americans have a problem with the issue being unemployment is high and they still don’t want to get a job. Immigrants are obviously coming over to live in our great country to live the American dream and better their families, so they would be willing to do any kind of work for pay. To an extent immigration should be allowed but limited to what our society can handle, to much isn’t always best.
I agree with Katie's post in that there are good and bad factors to immigration. Immigrants that come to America do the jobs that we would never do. But I also agree with other comments about keeping the immigration level to a limit so that it doesn't get too out of control.
Immigration no matter how controversial will always be necessary and vital to a country. It is impossible to eradicate it and it is very important to the well being of a country. I think that immigration is stimulating to a country and is completely necessary in order for the survival of a country. Immigration may cause the nation to "lose it's identity" however Immigration isnt optional. Because we were all immigrants at some point in our lives. Immigrants take jobs that others are not willing to work and stimulate the economy. Mary Helen Simpson
This article was very informative and the best so far. I agree with both Aaron and Julia, and therefor dont exactly agree with only one side. Though immigration is vital to the success of a nations society, culture, and economy, it will also demolish the nations true identity. There isnt a general solution that would balance the pros and cons of immigration, or allow a nation to become stronger through immigration while maintaining its identity and historic values. This balance would depend solely on the nation of concern, and each individual nation must have an independent solution to their own problems.
When reading this article, I found it sad that many nations are losing their identities due to the problems surrounding international migration. In particular, I find Italy's scenario to be the most tragic. Italy was the birthplace of what today's modern society has become, as Renaissance-era Italy put forward a progressive, more secular agenda that is still with modern society. With the European Union pushing for a united Europe, indivdual nation states like Italy are slowly losing the identity that makes them the countries we all cherish and revere.
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I found the political science in this reading to be very intriguing--how most political human actions can be generalized and that generalization can typically hold true. The author made it clear that Ireland hasn't experienced a conservative backlash to increasing allowance of foreign immigration, unlike other countries who have dealt with immigration problems. I applaud Ireland for their accepting views on both migrants and immigrants, especially regarding the general population's realization that immigrants are vital to their society, culture, and economy.
ReplyDelete-Julia S.
I found this reading very informative and definitley brought up many issues that countries, especially America, are facing, immigration. As an individual living in the United States, the word "immigration" angers the majority of the country. However, arn't we all immigrants living in America? The common American's ideology concerning immigrants is to get them out of the country, but immigrants actually do bring some good and do jobs no one else wants to do and brings culture to the global melting pot, that is America.
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I agree with Urnne on this because, as he states, Italy has always been the capital of the world until the last couple of centuries, and always led the world as the capital of religion. But the immigration due to the political corruption set all of it in different motion, making it almost a second class state. Ireland used to be in the same type of scenerio, when the government was poor and there was a potato famine, but now that it has grown stronger, it begins to see people of Irish descendency and some others begin to return.
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I agree with Aaron that indivudual nation-states are losing their identities. I mean, Ireland is desperately trying to get anybody with Irish heritage back into the country. I don't find international migration to be a bad thing though. People will move where they will, and a multi-cultural society is often a strong society. Like was mentioned in our PMQs, the many different cultures of the UK--and any other country--strengthens the economy and culture of the state. The decline of the nation-state is inevitable(a political unit(state) inhabited by people of one common ethnicity and heritage(nation)), but the new, multi-cultural societies should be welcomed.
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I have to disagree with Julia I think that immigration although vital to the forming of nations has its limits. Too much immigration like MR. Pittman stated causes the country to loose their identity. I believe immigration reform is one of the most important issues today and we need strong measures to control the over flow of immigrants.
ReplyDeleteCaleb Bunton
I agree with Adam to a point. We are all immigrants, or more our families are. having said that, this doesnt mean we should let people freely come into our country. Americans should take the jobs. I know this isn't always the case because as a whole Americans are lazy. Immigrants may contribute to a soceity but the line must be drawn somwhere
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I agree with Julia that Ireland is doing the noble thing by accepting these new cultures into their society. By allowing the immigrants access and fair treatment their have been no problems with the overflooding. The crisis conditions that other countries like Portugal, Greece, and others are experiencing are due to their lack of acceptance and forcing certain laws and views onto the different immigrants. Immigrants are a good thing, countries just need to learn how to embrace them and allow them to help the economy of the country.
ReplyDelete-Mary L.
Agreeing with Adam, the issues that they are facing in Ireland are very well stream-lined with what is happening in the U.S. regarding immigrants. The only exception that makes the U.S. different than Ireland is the fact that they,Ireland,are more willing to accept their immigrants as being important to who they are as a country even though their unemployment is very low and nine percent of the labor force in Ireland is foreign born. That in itself says that Ireland is maturing with the times and hopefully we will all follow in pursuit and mature as a country.
ReplyDeleteAlex B
The melting pot theory has been affecting nations for hundereds of years. People immigrate or migrate to areas where they think they can better themselves. Like urrne said, immigration can cause a country to lose its origonal identity yet it can have positive influnces.
ReplyDeleteLivy
Anthony M. Messina's article of the emigration and immigration of Ireland is extremely interesting, definitely for those political science majors out there! Throughout the article the reference to a multitude of information shown by graphs and statistics clearly supports the position the author is trying to argue. The transition of Ireland's emigration to immigration over the past few decades have now and will influence the policies and government in the United Kingdom. The reading of this article is just another example of the importance individuals need to pay attention to in order to move further along in the field on politics.
ReplyDelete-Grey M.
Immigration is not completly bad but too much of it can be damaging to a Country's identity. i think that you need to have reform on immigration so that a country does not completly change face and become different from the way its ancesters built it to be.
ReplyDeleteBeau Davis
I agree with Jarred on the fact that individual nations are losing their identities. However, if it weren't for the migration of these individuals then different countries such as America would not be the "Melting Pot" it is known as today. The immigration of cultures to me is a good thing, because it gives other countries new morals and cultures to benefit from. Especially when making a change from the old ways.
ReplyDelete- Chelsey A.
Although this article was extremely lengthy, I found it to be very informational on a topic that has various views: immigration. I agree with Adam's statement, that in America immigration is not seen as a beneficial factor, but rather that we should rid our country of these immigrants. According to Messina, America is part of the first-set of English-speaking societies and that "within these societies immigration is prominent in both their founding narratives and subsequent political and social development", I agree very much so with this statement. Disregarding the view that immigration is "bad", the surplus of culture and addition of individuals to fill jobs can help the economic state of a country.
ReplyDelete-Caroline H.
I agree with Adam for the most part in that America is a sort of melting pot. Immigration is'nt always a bad thing becuase it does bring diversity and new culture which makes America what it is. It can lead to bad though if isn't controlled and America will loose it's identity.
ReplyDelete-Molly L
Urnne is right - immigration can cause a country to lose its identity, but it is necessary. I don't really agree with Caroline saying get rid of all the immigrants, because the increase in the amount of immigrants forces a certain liberalism that can aid in the driving of the economy of a country. Unless of course, countries act like Arizona.
ReplyDeleteLuke
Lucas, Caroline isn't saying she wants to get rid of immigrants. She's saying that most Americans don't approve of immigrants, but she does; which she goes on to prove in the sentence "Disregarding the view that immigration is "bad", the surplus of culture and addition of individuals to fill jobs can help the economic state of a country." Duh.... come on fella, got to finish reading her statement first. Regarding the reading, I believe, from the information given, that the population of Ireland will become just as hateful towards immigrants as Americans are. Every country goes through a phase in which immigration is suddenly a crisis even though its the backbone of reform in almost every case.
ReplyDelete-C Ro
Now more so than ever, the United States has been drifting from the idea of a "melting pot" to a "tossed salad" theory. Immigration I believe is really important in our government and should be dealt with carefully, more efficiently and with justice. Like Adam said previously, "Aren't we all immigrants?". The Native Americans were here to begin with and after a while, a group of English speaking men come and told them to move for good or else. We need to take that in consideration. I recently read an article about a city in Texas that had many immigrants (in this case particularly Hispanics) that had a problem with these individuals. They did not force the Hispanics to leave but in a sense told them to flee. A great portion of them relocated and now that city is undergoing a big economic crisis due to the immigrants leaving. Not only is our country in an economic crisis, their case got worse. Any form of government should take in consideration that these working non citizens are important to our society and that they also bring many factors in our country. Although, I do agree that the government should come up with a plan with the overflow of immigration. Too much is always not a good thing. But we also need to take in mind that if people from other countries and states should need out assistance and that they are in need of refuge, that the government needs to help them and offer them peace of mind. But only if they are in need and trying to escape some form of punishment such as war, slavery and violence.
ReplyDelete-Lorenzo P
As everyone before me has stated, immigration is the main topic of this reading. Most Americans believe that immigration is terrible and that we are paying for them to live here. While this may be true, our nation could not function without immigrants. Immigrants do all the jobs that we Americans don't want to. Without them factories would not function, farms wouldn't run, and we would all be in a national pickle. Although immigration is an iffy topic to discuss, I think we all agree in saying that if others want to come to our country, legally, than we would be happy to welcome their culture and diversity.
ReplyDeleteMK
I agree with MK and Adam about how our country is a melting pot, no doubt about that. The only thing I have a problem with is, they take a lot of our jobs. I mean I personally don't think that is a big deal because I wouldn't want one of their jobs (I don't mean this in a rude way), but this definitely angers many Americans. Immigrants do keep our country running, but also, there is a lot of our money involved.
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ReplyDeleteCaroline B.
I found this reading to be important and interesting, and agree with Adam in the sense that imigraton to America is what our country is founded on, and contines to bring new ideas and different cultures into America. I also agree with Beau and Caleb that while immigration is a good thing, it's only good in moderation. If it is kept in the right proportions, it can help stimulate the economy; but, if it isn't monitored it could cause our economy to crash.
ReplyDelete-Jake Willcox
I have to agree with Adam and Julia in the sense that Julia says that she would go so far as to applaud Irelands actions as far as immigration goes in which she says that they have accepted that migrants and immigrants a like are vital to the success in the country and i agree with Adam in the sense that the majority of America blames the declining economy on the immigrants "coming in here taking our jobs!" or south park "da took der jobs!" in that ignorance in America has almost forgot America's history in the fact that this country was found on immigrants pulling from Ireland, France, England...etc. and through those immigrants America has formed its own identity and culture with a melting pot, so in that sense I agree with Adam and Julia
ReplyDeleteBradley Benson
I agree with Adam and Mary in that immigration definitely has its pros and cons. While some people are opposed to allowing immigrants into their country, they don't realize the diversity and jobs they bring forth as well as their contribution to econmic growth. Often times immigrants are looking to better themselves and their families by becoming more econmically stable. I think to an extent they should be controlled and limited in a society but why can't we kindly share the earth that everyone is a part of? Honestly, its time to be mature and realize it really doesnt matter where you're born and raised and what culture you are a part of. The only importance that truely matters is what the immmigrants plan to do to further themselves, the country, and the world around them.
ReplyDeleteGiorgia G.
I found this extremely long reading interesting. I agree with Adam and Giorgia immigration having it’s pros and cons. I don’t understand why most Americans have a problem with the issue being unemployment is high and they still don’t want to get a job. Immigrants are obviously coming over to live in our great country to live the American dream and better their families, so they would be willing to do any kind of work for pay. To an extent immigration should be allowed but limited to what our society can handle, to much isn’t always best.
ReplyDeleteKatie B.
I agree with Katie's post in that there are good and bad factors to immigration. Immigrants that come to America do the jobs that we would never do. But I also agree with other comments about keeping the immigration level to a limit so that it doesn't get too out of control.
ReplyDelete-Taylor H.
Immigration no matter how controversial will always be necessary and vital to a country. It is impossible to eradicate it and it is very important to the well being of a country. I think that immigration is stimulating to a country and is completely necessary in order for the survival of a country. Immigration may cause the nation to "lose it's identity" however Immigration isnt optional. Because we were all immigrants at some point in our lives. Immigrants take jobs that others are not willing to work and stimulate the economy.
ReplyDeleteMary Helen Simpson
This article was very informative and the best so far. I agree with both Aaron and Julia, and therefor dont exactly agree with only one side. Though immigration is vital to the success of a nations society, culture, and economy, it will also demolish the nations true identity. There isnt a general solution that would balance the pros and cons of immigration, or allow a nation to become stronger through immigration while maintaining its identity and historic values. This balance would depend solely on the nation of concern, and each individual nation must have an independent solution to their own problems.
ReplyDelete-Kasey H.
I agree with katie that there are good and bad factors
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